F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town! 200ml Bottle Airbrush Flow Improver 200ml bottle from Vallejo paints of Medium designed to improve the flow and delay the drying of paint on the needle while airbrushing. "To delay drying time of Model Color, mix a few drops with the color, or dip brush into retarder on the palette. I have a bottle of Vallejo sand yellow and I sprayed that at a 2:1 paint to thinner ration after adding the 2-3 drops of the flow improver and still at 20 psi. I also added 2 drops of thinner to the Vallejo air paints and sprayed between 10 -15 psi. Spray Model Color with Vallejo Flow Improver. How about you? Seems alot cheaper that way. Exactly, I think I am using too many paint pots that is what I have thought as well. It is recommended to ad 1-2 drops of Flow Improver to 10 drops of paint in the cup of the airbrush. I usually thin at a ratio of 2 parts paint to 1 part thinner, plus 10% thinner just to make sure. Cookies help us deliver our Services. 71.262: Bottle de 17 ml. I was spraying black and desert yellow Vallejo model colors last night, both thinned with the Vallejo airbrush thinner and a small amount of Vallejo retarder. Vallejo Model Air 200 ml Thinners £9.28. I usually do 5 drops of my pre-mix to 10 drops paint, with an extra drop pre-mix for each 10 paint - 10:5, 20:10, etc. Said looking at it from the other direction: the paint stays wet longer. Thinner used to extend the colors, to increase fluidity and delay the drying time. It is recommended to add 1-2 drops of Flow Improver to 10 drops of paint in the cup of the airbrush." The best part of this flow improver is that I’ve noticed I get less dry tip on my needle. Référence VP71562. In stock. The paint is less likely to "bead up" so it "flows" better. Vallejo Airbrush Flow Improver 60ml Paint Set Brand: Vallejo. Size. I like the colors themselves and would hate to have to swicth out to a different brand. 2 drops of paint to one drop of thinner. Mix with an old synthetic brush. Thanks again for all of the comments above. The best way to actually thin Vallejo paint is to use their own Airbrush Thinner. Sailing Ships, Modern US Aircraft and Armor, WWI Aircraft, Formula I Racing, Medieval Figures. Member since March 2013; Posted by patrick206 on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 7:31 PM KansasSteve. But in general, one or two drops of retarder or flow improver to your pot of paint is usually enough. "Thinner" is mostly the liquid in which the acrylic paint binder molecules are suspended. Please see also certified safety information of the product on the Safety sheet. There are two kinds of airbrush media: a thinner and a flow improver. 25% Thinner to 75% paint (1 part thinner 3 parts paint) is a good starting point for a standard base coat. I use a Grex airbrush. Voir les informations concernant les certifications du produit dans la fiche de sécurité. It is recommended to first prime the surface, and then apply Model Air in several layers. Most paint manufacturers also add some retarder and flow improver to their thinner. I put in enough flow improver or thinner to give the bottom a full but thin coat, then add a few drops of paint, depending on what kind of paint it is. Sorry I can't help Gary, but I'm looking forward to learning something along with you! Airbrush Flow Improver: "Medium designed to improve the flow and delay the drying of paint on the needle while airbrushing. Do any of you guys have a Vallejo paint/thinner/retarder ratio you prefer that gives good results? "Flow Improver" reduces the surface tension and to some extent the viscosity of the paint. Do I need to add more retarding agent to the mix, or should I do something else? Il est recommandé d'ajouter 1 à 2 gouttes de Flow Improver pour 10 gouttes de … Even then I am still thinning too much based on the wet paint on the model also I am getting tiny dots appearing on my model. Do I really need both? I am continually meeting people who are not sure how to use Flow Improver, for this reason I have made this short video to explain it. I use it for model air and mecha colors lines and it works nice on .2mm with no retarder whatsoever. I’ve had good success with Kenny Boucher’s “gangster gumbo” method of Vallejo (or Liquitex) Flow Improver and just a couple of drops of water with the paint. They are VERY smooth through the airbrush. Clear. Airbrush Thinner: "Thinner for Model Air and Liquid Acrylic. Still may have to wipe the tip off occasionally. Of course, you can always add to much of a good thing. This item: Vallejo 200 ml Flow Improver Airbrush Model Air Bottle £9.38. I would go with a 1:1 ratio. Spray at higher PSI imo, i spray that at 20-30 PSI, and wipe the tip often. Sent from and sold by Amazon. Useful for “wet on wet” techniques and reducing skin formation on the palette." Vallejo Flow Improver 200ml. This will be my first time using Vallejo Surface Primer and Air Colors. Ind. Any advice/information is appreciated. I tend to use a 1:2 thinner to paint ratio, depending on the viscosity of the paint I'm using. The paint can get lumpy or stringy. Too much flow improver or thinner can cause adhesion problems. Spray Model Color with Vallejo Flow Improver. For a thicker coat it’ll still thin at least 1:1 or often 1 part paint, 2 parts water. One advantage to a "retarder" is that it not only keeps the paint from drying too fast while airbrushing, but it (theoretically) should also allow the paint to plait out on the surface better, making for a smoother finish. The compressor adjustment recommended is 15 – 20 PSI o 0.5 to 1 kg. Active Moderators u/GreatBigPig u/crewchief227 u/bagofboards, Press J to jump to the feed. My thanks to all who replied. I have the Tamiya superfine but haven't tested the Vallejo stuff through it yet. For best airbrush maintenance we recommend using the Vallejo Airbrush Cleaner. In stock. What type of airbrush are you running with a .2 nozzle? With 1 part paint, 0.5 thinner and 0.5 flow improver. (with a little flow improver) I bought their 16 count Basic, allied forces and allied axis sets. Adding up to 25% by volume of thinner is no problem; 25%-50% can get dicey with adhesion; more than 50% you risk serious adhesion problems. You have been warned. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. État : Neuf. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A place for atomization artists to come together to help with questions, troubleshooting, and of course an outlet to display Airbrush Art! I follow the ratio of 1 drop of the flow improver to every 10 drops of paint/thinner in my airbrush. Happy Modeling. My first attempts I wasn't thinning enough and did have blockages due to thickness causing the problem. By The colors dry very rapidly and form a homogenous paint film of extraordinary resistance while preserving even the smallest detail of the model. You should try the new Mission Model acrylics. I use their proprietary thinning agent for brushing (which is basically an acrylic base without pigment) on a lot of the colors instead of distilled water as I found some reacted negatively to distilled water, or had a very fine threshold for separating and settling while drying. But that is another discussion. I’ve used Vallejo Surface Primer for years for painting miniatures. The paint goes on better and keeps a much better consistency than if you were to thin with water. Happy Modeling. and 71.061: Bottle de 32 ml. You will have to thin with their thinner and a flow inhibitor but they spray damn near as good as an enamel. AIRBRUSH FLOW IMPROVER Safety data sheet According to 1907/2006/EC (REACH), 2015/830/EU SECTION 1: IDENTIFICATION OF THE SUBSTANCE/MIXTURE AND OF THE COMPANY/UNDERTAKING 1.4 Emergency telephone number: +34 938 936 012 (9:00 - 17:00) ACRYLICOS VALLEJO, S.L. For Vallejo model air I mix 60/40 and spray at 15 psi. Now, if you need to thin more than 50%, consider using one of the paints' "mediums" (which is basically just clear acrylic paint; Future Floor Wax/Pledge can be considered a sort of universal acrylic paint medium). GLH, Nous recommandons 1 à 2 gouttes de Flow Improver pour 10 gouttes de peinture à l'intérieur de l'aérographe. Not the cheapest, but does the job and a 200ml bottle goes a long way. Longer sessions typically require a little help. February 15, 2015 in Tools, Tips & Techniques. I'll try a distilled water mix next time, see how that comes out. Vallejo Model Air 200 ml Airbrush Cleaner £7.50. Too much retarder prevents the paint from ever drying. For many acrylic paints, the liquid is simply water. For the primer I mixed 2 drops thinner and one drop Liquitex with 10 drops of the surface primer. (1) Mecha Color can be airbrushed directly or diluted with Vallejo Airbrush Thinner or Flow Improver, and the colors can also be applied by brush. Prévenez-moi lorsque le produit est disponible  11,90 € TTC. It went on smoothly and has good adhesion. : +34938936012 - … Reply; patrick206. Very confusing; I think Vallejo is just trying to increase their revenue so I'm just going to use the Thinner. Page 1 of 1 Start over Page 1 of 1 . Spray at higher PSI imo, i spray that at 20-30 PSI, and wipe the tip often. 4.8 out of 5 stars 277 ratings. List Price: $8.99: Price: $6.69 + $5.52 shipping: You Save: $2.30 (26%) Each bottle contains an eyedropper device Improve flow through needle on Air Brush Presented in plastic bottles of 60ml Build new worlds. Overthinning will cause the mixture to dry quickly (thinner evaporates quickly) and also cause blockages. If you have access to Vallejo air I would use that. Previous page. Vallejo Flow Improver is Vallejo Airbrush Thinner with a Drying Retarder added. This has worked really well for me. Very confusing; I think Vallejo is just trying to increase their revenue so I'm just going to use the Thinner. Avis. I only used the Thinner and am very satisfied with the results. 71.262: Bottle de 17 ml. Vallejo also has a Drying Retarder. That can come in handy with acrylics that dry so fast they clog up the tip of the airbrush, or don't flow out on the surface you're painting. Mecha Color can be airbrushed directly or diluted with Vallejo Airbrush Thinner or Flow Improver, and the colors can also be applied by brush. I have been told Vallejo contain latex, and the string certainly had a latex-feel to it. If the thinner doesn't work to solve all of your problems, you can always add the retarder as recommended in your next session. I been using two to one ratio for the Vallejo Model paint. Vallejo offer a great range of authentically matched paints in their range and you’ll be unlucky not to find the tones you want from what’s available. Read more. Flow improver is an additive that you use with water. For best airbrush maintenance we recommend using the Vallejo Airbrush Cleaner. Choose an option. N is for NO SURVIVORS... - Plankton. Like Eric mentioned, I just kept the airbrush in motion to prevent any pooling of the paint. read the ingredients label for fun). For the detail work it can be as thin as 1 part vallejo paint to maybe 4 or 5 parts water, and a small amount of flow enhancer (3 or 4 drops in one of those metal paint trays). That paint worked. After about 10 to 15 minutes of great results, on both an Aztek (.4mm) and Badger 105 Patriot (.5mm) I had dry tip and a 'silly string' effect where the paint was pushed out by the needle when the trigger was released, forming a thin thread from the tip. and 71.362: Bottle de 32 ml. Reply; Arespontus. I looked at the description of the Airbrush Flow Improver on amazon.com; it seems to be a "retarder" - an additive to make the paint dry slower. I found that the Vallejo-recommended 2 drops each thinner/flow improver for 10 drops paint kept the mix way too thick, especially for finer lines. So best to use the manufacturers' own products unless you have tested to make sure nothing happens. What's your ratio of paint to flow improver? What is the difference between Vallejo Thinner and Airbrush Flow Improver? Pol. Sent from and sold by Amazon. Sant Jordi - C/ Eusebio Millán, 14 08800 Vilanova i La Geltrú - Barcelona - Spain Phone. "Retarder" slows or retards the time it take for the paint to dry. I will add when the need arises by buying in either 16 or 8 ct. sets. Sent from and sold by Amazon. The information is very helpful. The recommended compressor settings are around 15-20 PSI or 0.5 to 1 kg. Gary. It didn't really do anything to prevent dry tip. Never used Tamiya but I swithched from ModelMasters acrylic to Vallejo Model Air and am really happy with their airbrush ability. Distilled water doesn't have the contaminants/additives found in tap water or well water. More items to explore. I use vallejo game colour regularly now. Surface Primer is not flammable, and does not contain solvents. I follow the ratio of 1 drop of the flow improver to every 10 drops of paint/thinner in my airbrush. AIRBRUSH FLOW IMPROVER 60ML VALLEJO 71462 Airbrush Flow Improver est un médium pour améliorer la fluidité de la peinture et retarder son séchage. I use the Reaper MSP version, so I don't know what artist paint based alternatives could be used. Vallejo Airbrush Flow Improver – Medium est spécialement formulé pour améliorer la fluidité de la peinture, évitant ainsi que la couleur ne sèche trop rapidement à l'intérieur de l'aérographe. Sometimes a little more thinner may be needed depending on the paint and painting situation. I’ve heard that the Vallejo airbrush thinner is no bueno because it dries the paint out too fast. So far, this has become a staple additive for all my airbrushing sessions. I can only assume that Vallejo must’ve put a retarder in this as well, which is a nice addition. Experiment on what suits you best, best Flow Improver/Thinner/Paint Ratio, but definitely use their flow Improver. You can try mig thinner. 71.261: Bottle de 17 ml. With regards to other additives, Vallejo produces two reagents Thinner Medium (#73.524) and Airbrush Flow Improver (#71.62) that are described as wetting agents. 70.597 Bottle 17 ml. Living in San Antonio, TX during the summer I also add a drop or two of their flow improver. I’ve not tried the Flow Improver but I have tested the Thinner Medium as a means of diluting Vallejo for fine-line work but that’s for a future article. Vallejo Thinner vs Airbrush Flow Improver. Surface Primer can be used directly or diluted with Vallejo Airbrush Thinner of Flow Improver. Best to follow the paint's directions. Model Air is used directly or diluted with Vallejo Airbrush Thinner or Flow Improver. For best maintenance of the airbrush, it is recommended to use the Vallejo Airbrush Cleaner. Back in the day, the drop of dish soap that you added to a bottle of Poly S paint was a flow improver. Vallejo air is also non-toxic while there other lines should be used with a mask and ventilation. The purpose of this product is to reduce the frequency of the airbrush tip clogging due to dried paint accumulation. The best part of this flow improver is that I’ve noticed I get less dry tip on my needle. and 73.597 Bottle 60 ml. We recommend the addition of a few drops of thinner to the colors while airbrushing." As well share ideas, experience, and techniques in this highly versatile painting medium. We recommend adding 1-2 drops Flow Improver to 10 drops of paint in the cup of the airbrush. But others, like Tamiya, use all sorts of goodies (alcohols, ethers, glycols, etc. The other lines were not designed for airbrushing and I've read that because of that the painting composition for each colour is widely different. It immediately becomes apparent what my problem is at least – the use of Flow Improver to mix with the paint – problem solved! If you are marble coating with Vallejo … One oddball thing I noticed is that with the retarding agent mixed it, it has taken 2 days for my tank to 'cure', with the base color (desert yellow) feeling tacky in the meantime. For fine details such as motteling I’ll mix 50/50 and back psi way down with a fine tip. Better to have stringy paint in the test cup rather than in the airbrush or on the model. It is recommended to add 1-2 drops of Flow Improver to 10 drops of paint in the cup of the airbrush." So lets say that I use 30 drops of paint, I will add 15 drops of thinner, plus another 3 drops of thinner. Another breakthrough in my airbrushing has been trying Tamiya paints. I do have access to Vallejo air, and will be testing the red/brown color on the panzer as well soon (hoping for less dry tip with that). Flow improver helps break the surface tension so that the paint flows off the brush more smoothly/easily. Experiment on what suits you best, best Flow Improver/Thinner/Paint Ratio, but definitely use their flow Improver. For short sessions when you are changing colors and flushing out the airbrush between them, this is generally not an issue if you thin your paints. That is the result of that adverse reaction. I have noticed each color has it's own unique properties. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Safety: Mecha Color is not flammable, and does not contain solvents. Just keep cleaning your needle often if you must use the black model color. LSM . I finished the Tamiya Sherman Easy8 and am very impressed with Vallejo acrylics. In stock. It sprayed very nicely and I got a nice thin layer of paint on the model with no runs. When you airbrush keeping your air pressure low (around 15-20 PSI) will help you keep control over the spray pattern. To thin Vallejo Surface Primer, you can use water or flow improver additives, such as the Vallejo Thinner. Looking at the Vallejo line, maybe the Vallejo thinner has some flow improver in it? BOMBS! Colors will not change their consistency. Some acrylic paint formulations can adversely react to another labels' thinner/retarder/flow improver. I can only assume that Vallejo must’ve put a retarder in this as well, which is a nice addition. If it's a standard base coat, I also add 2 drops flow improver for every 10 drops of paint. The compressor adjustment recommended is 15 – 20 PSI o 0.5 to 1 kg. If you use Vallejo paints in an airbrush, then these thinners are a must. Mecha Color is not flammable, and does not contain solvents. and 71.362: Bottle de 32 ml. Acrylic Flow Improver; Acrylic Fluid Retarder ; The gentleman in the video recommended a mix of 33% alcohol to 67% distilled water. Choose an option 17 ml 32 ml 60 ml. Way to actually thin Vallejo surface Primer, you can always add much! To add 1-2 drops flow improver to every 10 drops of flow improver: `` thinner is. 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